Name: billygoatbartman
Location: Joliet, Illinois, United States

Saturday, August 20, 2005

Cindy Sheehan

What a few weeks Cindy Sheehan has had. I really admire what she is doing and the debate she has created. I wonder if she ever imagined the impact she has had on the country when she decided to camp out in Crawford TX, near President Bush's ranch. Ms. Sheehan intentions are to meet with the President. I don't think he will meet with her. He doesn't answer to people.

I'm the commander -- see, I don't need to explain -- I do not need to explain why I say things. That's the interesting thing about being the president. Maybe somebody needs to explain to me why they say something, but I don't feel like I owe anybody an explanation.
-- As quoted shortly following 9/11 in "Bush at War" by Bob Woodward, Washington, D.C., Nov. 19, 2002


Cindy Sheehan won't get an audience with our President but she has sparked a renewed debate about the War in Iraq. Ms. Sheehan wants to see the troops pulled out. I'm still not sure this is the answer. On side I feel that we were lied to about the reasons for going to war so we should cut our losses and save our troops. On the other hand its not just our losses but the losses of the Iraqi people. Although they are better off without Saddam Hussein, the Iraqi people have a long road to any kind of stability ahead of them. We are responsible for this instability so we should help stabilize it. They call this the Pottery Barn philosophy, you break it you buy it. Isn't that what Colin Powel said before the war?

I'm not buying the crap about how we are safer with our troops over there. Terrorists will attack us any time they feel like it regardless of which country we decide to occupy. Al Queda attacked our country four years ago. Al Queda is not a country. Al Queda is everywhere. My concern is with the Iraqi people. Pulling our troops out right now would not be fair to the Iraqi people. I believe we have to change our current strategy. We can't continue to keep losing cities to the insurgents months after we took control of them. We can't continue letting insurgents come across the borders. If it takes more troops then let it be more troops. It just doesn't have to be all of our troops. I believe that we have to put our tails between our legs and ask the international community to help us do this. Tell them that we fucked up Iraq and we need their help to fix it. Unfortunately this isn't going to happen under our current regime. Bush didn't appoint John Bolton to ask for help from the U.N. It's my blog and my fantasy.

Cindy Sheehan is bringing some these arguments to the surface again by drawing our attention to the real losses of this war. The real losses of our troops like her son Casey. The real losses of the over 100,000 Iraqi people who have been killed so far. We went to war based on lies. Our troops went over there to get rid of the terrorists responsible for 911. They went over there to protect us from WMD and from imminent use of them on us. These reasons turned out to be false. Our troops did liberate the Iraqi people from a violent tyrant. Our troops have been spilling their blood for over two years to bring peace to Iraq. Bush owes it to the troops and their families, who have sacrificed their sons, daughters, husbands, mothers and fathers as well to the Iraqi people, to do whatever is necessary to end this war without leaving a mess behind. We need to do this quickly. "Staying the course" isn't going to cut this time.

10 Comments:

Anonymous Doug said...

Cindy Sheehan is a jerk. I hate her representing America. Her husband is divorcing her and her other two kids want to divorce her. I want someone noble to represent the anti-Bush movement.

What is interesting: the Anti Vietnam War movement started with drugged out college freshmen in 1968. This anti-war movement is from middle-aged people. Maybe it's the same people who protested the Vietnam War. College kids today don't care because they know it won't affect them. They're jerks too.

7:03 PM  
Blogger billygoatbartman said...

I hate to say this but the kids who protested Vietnam have graduated from middle age. Their kids, like me, are middle aged. It's not the same people who protested the Vietnam War. Lots of them became jaded Yuppies. One difference between the protests of today and Vietnam is that no one is blaming the soliers now. Their focus is on the idiots who got us in this mess. I haven't seen anybody spit on Iraqi War Vets when they come off the plane. Thank God. Who was noble back then? Jane Fonda?

8:03 PM  
Anonymous ken said...

I believe the primary reason people these days aren't as concerned with protesting the war is a bit of what Doug touched on, it doesn't directly affect them. During Vietnam, the draft was in play and that scared the crap out of them and I can't really fault them, I know plenty of friends and relatives who got deferments. I know of one guy who became a teacher for the express purpose of avoiding the draft. Not that I believe that the draft should be resinstated, but I guarantee the protests would be just as fervent, in not more so, if the draft was brought back.

I also believe our President and our congressmen would be a lot less cavalier about going to war if they knew their sons and daughters could possibly be among the ranks of draftees.

4:28 AM  
Blogger billygoatbartman said...

I agree completely. It is a different situation all together. My dad enlisted to avoid the draft and it worked. He just missed being sent to Vietnam. Thank God. The progressive movememt knew how to protest back then too. ( I realize only a few nuts spit on soldiers. I like to give Doug a hard time.) The Civil Rights protests preceeded the Vietnam protests so America's dander was already up.
Our leadership was much different also. From what I understand the Vietnam war haunted Lyndon Johnson. Our current Pres. sleeps fine. He feels comfortable enough to take a 5 week vacation through all this.

6:13 AM  
Anonymous ken said...

Did you see Cindy on Real Time w/Bill Maher last night?

6:52 PM  
Blogger billygoatbartman said...

I don't have HBO but I wish I did. I really like Bill Maher. How was she on the show?

7:48 AM  
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